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  TV commercial seen in the United States, from a Law firm "Asking if you were ever sexually abused by JEHOVAHS WITNESSES, please call".

  by Dunedain in

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  ok, so i don't know if this is "old news", and if this has been seen, and or mentioned already.

  if it was, i do apologize, but i feel i have to mention what has been seen on tv, within the past 24 hours.. first off, i would like to say that i did not personally see this commercial.

  however, it was seen by someone that i can verify 100% is telling the truth, as it was my own father who saw it.

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  Richard Oliver

  Giordano:

  I don't know how much of your reference that you read, it is pretty long and very dense material but it is interesting to see how this commentator talks about religious lawsuits. Towards the end it speaks of fiduciary responsibility, as well as the liability of a religious organization when it comes to the actions of one of it's members.
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  ARC Analysis Summary of Case Files

  by Richard Oliver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have been doing research on the arc as some people on here have suggested.

  i find it interesting on the case file analysis some of the findings.

  it looks like queensland and new south wales had the biggest problems with this.

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  Richard Oliver

  Yeah sparrowdown. your right it isn't really that hard. You just make disparaging remarks to people that you don't like or agree with you. If you don't like facts that support something you just make up your own facts. And you use your opinion to prove things even though you have no proof. I don't know why I have been doing so much research when I can just be like everyone else here and just make up whatever I want, as long as I find people who agree with me, it must be true. This is so liberating.

  Oh btw I been trying to not be too disparaging to people but obviously that isn't how it is done here, but everyone knows that Raymond Franz was a fraud right. He was just pissed off and jealous that he wasn't as smart, popular or important as his uncle was. He was just a jealous petty man who could never accept those things.
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  ARC Analysis Summary of Case Files

  by Richard Oliver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have been doing research on the arc as some people on here have suggested.

  i find it interesting on the case file analysis some of the findings.

  it looks like queensland and new south wales had the biggest problems with this.

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  Richard Oliver

  I wish they would ruin ur life even more along with so many people on here. I wish they would sue you for defemation of character and lible. I wish they would sue you into bankruptcy. But that ain't going to happen so I guess I will have to accept you will just be kept this hurt.
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  ARC Analysis Summary of Case Files

  by Richard Oliver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have been doing research on the arc as some people on here have suggested.

  i find it interesting on the case file analysis some of the findings.

  it looks like queensland and new south wales had the biggest problems with this.

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  Richard Oliver

  sparrowdown. yup the chips will fall where the fall. Unfortunately because you don't do your own research and just allow other people to spoon feed you your opinion you don't know that the chips fall on the Watchtower side more often than not. This is especially when people want to take them to court. The win far more cases than they lose. And even the cases they lose and every ex-JW will point to as proof, it gets reversed on appeal. And the ultimate big boy, the federal government appeals cases they lose, so that is not a sign of arrogance or defiance it is a sign of playing fair by the rules that everyone gets to play by.
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  2.16.2017 NJ Star-Ledger Ad: "Were you sexually abused by the Jehovahs Witnesses?"

  by breakfast of champions in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  my wife found this 1/4 page ad on page 2 of yesterday's nj star-ledger, probably the biggest newspaper in nj.

  pretty telling.. .

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  Richard Oliver

  Joe Grundy:

  I appreciate your respectfulness. I am just repeating the rulings that both trial and appeal courts have rendered in the United States. Courts have ruled that just the association to an organization does not mean that the organization has a fiduciary duty to their members.

  Lewis v. Bellows Falls Congregation

  Holdings: The District Court, J. Garvan Murtha, J., held that:

  1 alleged conduct by church did not create fiduciary relationship between church and congregant;

  2 church allegedly had duty to provide reasonable supervision of its minister;

  3 no special relationship existed between the church and its minister, as required to give rise to church's duty to control minister;

  4 church had no duty to protect congregant; and

  5 church had no separate duty to warn its congregants, distinct from a duty to protect.

  
  

  In Anderson v Watchtower the court wrote this:

  The court in Moses first recognized that the relationship between a clergyman and parishioner was normally one involving trust and reliance, but further held that in order to be liable for a breach of fiduciary duty, the superior party must “assume a duty to act in the dependent party's best interest,” Moses, 863 P.2d at 322, language which is parroted in Ms. Anderson's allegations. The Moses court also found, however, that there must be an assumption of duty and that “[o]nce a member of the clergy accepts the parishioner's trust and accepts the role of counselor, a duty exists to act with the utmost good faith for the benefit of the parishioner.” Moses, 863 P.2d at 323 (emphasis added).

  
  

  DeCorso v Watchtower:

  
  

  Further, because the present case does not involve a minor child, it does not involve a “justifiable trust confided on one side” and a “resulting superiority and influence” on the other. This court declines to read specific requirements for a fiduciary relationship in a religious context into Connecticut law. Accordingly, the defendants' motion to strike the fourth count of the revised complaint is granted.

  
  

  Conti v Watchtower:

  
  

  Holdings: The Court of Appeal, Siggins, J., held that:

  1 congregation elders did not have any duty to warn the congregation about member's past child sexual abuse;

  2 congregation elders did not have any duty to warn child congregation member's parents about member's past child sexual abuse;

  3 elders did not have any duty under the negligent undertaking doctrine to warn parents about member's past child sexual abuse;

  4 organization and congregation had a duty to use reasonable care to restrict and supervise field service of member with history of child sexual abuse;

  
  

  These are just from a quick search in WestLaw. And again like I said, these firms obviously think that they can overcome it, but it is going to be an uphill battle. They will have to overcome a lot.

  
  
  
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  2.16.2017 NJ Star-Ledger Ad: "Were you sexually abused by the Jehovahs Witnesses?"

  by breakfast of champions in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  my wife found this 1/4 page ad on page 2 of yesterday's nj star-ledger, probably the biggest newspaper in nj.

  pretty telling.. .

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  Richard Oliver

  Precedent has been applied to if the abuse takes place during an official activty of Watchtower, such as in the Conti case when the abuse occurred in service. There are some others but in very narrow circumstances.
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  2.16.2017 NJ Star-Ledger Ad: "Were you sexually abused by the Jehovahs Witnesses?"

  by breakfast of champions in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  my wife found this 1/4 page ad on page 2 of yesterday's nj star-ledger, probably the biggest newspaper in nj.

  pretty telling.. .

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  Richard Oliver

  These are big firms but it is not a guarantee. There is a lot of cases where courts have ruled that Watchtower, along with other churches, don't have a duty to warn or protect. They have also ruled that they don't have a fiduciary duty to it's members. Obviously these firms believe that they can overcome these issues but it won't be a cake walk for them to overcome the precedents already established by the courts in a number of different states.
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  ARC Analysis Summary of Case Files

  by Richard Oliver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have been doing research on the arc as some people on here have suggested.

  i find it interesting on the case file analysis some of the findings.

  it looks like queensland and new south wales had the biggest problems with this.

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  Richard Oliver

  one Christian might commit a serious crime against another—such as rape, assault, murder, or major theft. In such cases, it would not be unchristian to report the matter to the authorities, even though doing so might result in a court case or a criminal trial.

  And these date back to 1991 and 1997.

  I said before did elders make mistakes, yes they did and they did not follow policy. But to say it is policy to punish any person who reports a crime is not the policy of Watchtower.
  
  
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  ARC Analysis Summary of Case Files

  by Richard Oliver in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i have been doing research on the arc as some people on here have suggested.

  i find it interesting on the case file analysis some of the findings.

  it looks like queensland and new south wales had the biggest problems with this.

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  Richard Oliver

  Cobweb:

  You may have a point, which I have never thought about it. But I don't think that I am defending them when I say you cannot expect an organization to prevent the harm of a third person by one of it's members. That would be similar to saying if you are apart of an IEEE which is an association of professional engineers, and one of those members commit a crime which has nothing to do with their membership in that organization, would that organization be responsible for that person's actions. I don't think so, that person acted upon their own. Should they have known that he was going to commit that crime, there is no way for them to have known that. Now if that organization knows what that person did and puts him in a position that might help him re-offend in committing that crime, then yes that organization had a duty to protect that subsequent crime, but they could not stop the initial crime.
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  2.16.2017 NJ Star-Ledger Ad: "Were you sexually abused by the Jehovahs Witnesses?"

  by breakfast of champions in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  my wife found this 1/4 page ad on page 2 of yesterday's nj star-ledger, probably the biggest newspaper in nj.

  pretty telling.. .

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  Richard Oliver

  These lawyers will have to overcome a lot of persuasive and mandatory precedent. It will be interesting to see what happens over time.